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A Response To BI-LO Policy

April 5, 2012 in politics

Part 3 in the ongoing saga with BI-LO and their Anti-Gun Owner firearms policy. After a trip grocery shopping left me with a bad taste in my mouth and an unoloaded and disassembled pistol in my car becuase BI-LO decision to disarm law abiding and property rights respecting people while hiding that fact in tiny letters I Wrote Them A Letter (pt.1), and Received A Response (Pt. 2.)

As their response was full of bad logic and bad information about the firearms policies of other retail chains I decided to write them back. Here is copy of the message I sent today to Mr. Dwane Bryant, the Vice President, General Counsel, and Secretary for BI-LO Inc. I will keep every updated as the story develops. Here is a copy of the letter I sent:

Dear Mr. Bryant,

I appreciate your prompt response and your plans to look into BI-LO’s anti-firearm signage.  I am confident that your conscientious efforts in this matter will lead to your company adding more visible signs, thus reducing confusion, decreasing the chance of an avoidable tragedy, as well as ensuring that the signs are legally enforceable.  I thank you for that.

I am writing to you again in regards to your statements explaining why BI-LO created, and stands by, its customer disarmament policy.  Specifically, I wanted to address the claims that it is a sound business decision, that it honors safety, and that the policy is shared by all other major retail chains.  I hope that by providing counter examples, including facts and figures, I can illustrate that the policy is based on incomplete, incorrect, and flawed data and may be costing the company money.

“…based on sound business judgment.”  In North and South Carolina alone there are over 348,000 current, valid Concealed Carry permit holders and applications are at an all-time high (http://www.ncdoj.gov/CHPStats.aspx, http://www.sled.sc.gov/documents/CWP/SCCWPCalendarYear2010.pdf). In North Carolina, there are countless other citizens that legally Open Carry, which requires no permit. In effect, you are telling hundreds of thousands of potential customers to surrender their ability to defend themselves or take their money elsewhere. The occasional complaint by a small minority of anti-gun advocates should not outweigh the much larger community of gun owners and those who are not opposed to the carrying of firearms.  In many cases, such as the Starbucks Boycott in February of this year, taking a pro-gun owner stance proved to be an asset, not a liability (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2012/02/starbucks-guns-boycott.html).

“…seeks to honor the security and safety of employees and customers.” Anti-Firearms policies are only respected by law-abiding firearms owners. As incidents like the shooting sprees at Ft. Hood, Virginia Tech, Westwood Mall, and multiple others have shown people who wish harm on others are not deterred by Gun-Free policies. Instead of disarming criminals, these signs simply inform criminals that they are going to be rewarded with a building full of victims.  Additionally, according to the most the most recent data I could find for North Carolina, Concealed Carry permit holders are five times less likely to kill someone than the general public (http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/12/foghorn/ny-times-uses-deceptive-statistics-to-promote-anti-gun-agenda-again/).

“This is the same policy adopted by all other major retail chains of which we are aware.”  Many chains have policies that allow for different kinds of firearms carry within their stores.  A few chains defer to state, local, and federal law (i.e. if Open Carry is legal then it is allowed).  These major retail chains include: Best Buy, Wal-Mart, Home Depot, Lowes, Barnes & Noble, Toys-R-Us, Sears/K-Mart. Restaurants that maintain a similar policy are: Starbucks, Bob Edwards, and White Castle. (http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?71026-Corporate-Policies, http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2012/02/starbucks-guns-boycott.html). This is just a partial list and contains only major chains with published letters from their corporate offices or reported in mainstream news. Anecdotal evidence, such as a lack of signs forbidding guns or reports from Concealed Carry activists, is also available at your request.  As shown, if BI-LO were to adopt a policy respecting gun owners it would not be an anomaly; instead, the company would become part of a growing corporate community.

Thanks,

Mr. Xaq Fixx


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 UPDATE: David Codrea of the Gun Rights Examiner has a post covering my experience with Bi-Lo titled “This is how they show respect” over on his blog The War on Guns..

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Bi-Lo Grocery Chain Responds

April 2, 2012 in politics

This is a update to my March 29, 2012 post “An Open Letter to Bi-Lo Grocery Chain on Firearms Policy and Notification” – there is some good news and and bad news. On the positive side I received a response from their Vice President and General Counsel, Mr. Dwayne Bryant, today, saying they will review their signage for legal compliance. Unfortunately, he also clamied they are set in their firearms policy, a decision based on bad logic and bad information.

Mr. Bryant claims that Bi-Lo’s no firearm policy, “seeks to honor the safety and security” of  both customers and employees. This fails a basic logic test as persons intent on hurting others will not obey a sign. More importantly, however, was his claim that no other major retail chain (which they are aware of) allow open or concealed carry. The reason this is so important is that I will easily be able to provide them with a list of several major retail chains who maintain a gun owner friendly policy.

Perhaps showing Mr. Bryant and his fellow Bi-Lo Executives that firearm ownership is not uncommon, that they are turning away hundreds of thousands of permit holding customers in North and South Carolina alone not counting Open Carriers in NC who require no permit in NC, and that they would be in good corporate company by reconsidering or relaxing this policy.

Stay tuned to XaqFixx.com for any further updates.

Here is the original PDF, my transcription is below:

 

(Letterhead: BI-LO savings without sacrifice)

Dwayne H. Bryant
Vice President, General Counsel, and Secretary
(phone, address, fax, and e-mail redacted)

April 2, 2012

Via Email Only to (redacted)

RE: Firearms Policy

Mr. Fixx:

Thank you for your recent email to BI-LO regarding the Company’s policy of forbidding weapons of any kind at its stores.

Althoughout the Company very much respects the rights of all individuals under the Constitution, incdluding rights arising under teh Second Amerndment, the Company has made an affirmative choice to ban handguns and all other potentially dangerous weapons for its premises.  BI-LO’s policy is based on its sound business judgements and seeks to honor the saftey and security of employees and customers.  This is the same policy adopted by all other major retail chains of which we are aware.

Based on the information you provided, however, we will review the current signage in place at our stores to ensure that it fully complies with applicable state law.

We hope the above response is satisfactory but please don;t hesitate to contact me should you have any additional questions or concerns,  We very much appreciate your choosing to shop at BI-LO as well as your willingnes to bring your concerns to our attention.

With best regards,

(SIGNED)

Dwayne H. Bryant

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An Open Letter to Bi-Lo Grocery Chain on Firearms Policy and Notification

March 29, 2012 in politics

The following e-mail was sent with attached images on Thursday March 29, 2012 at 5PM to the CEO, Senior VP of Marketing, Senior VP of Store Operations, VP of Risk Management,  VP of HR and Diversity, Director of Facilities, and the Marketing Manager. As some mail systems block attachments links to the images hosted here were also included at the end of the e-mail. I have not included these employees names or e-mail addresses out of respect for their privacy but that information is available elsewhere online. I did not use their contact form as it limits formatting, has restrictive character limits, and does not allow for attachments. If you have any questions I can be contacted here and Bi-Lo can be contacted here. Full Resolution (4320×3240) versions of the images are available upon request.

Dear Sir or Madam,

I have been a longtime customer of Bi-Lo and have been generally happy with the experience.  I appreciate the good selection, helpful staff, and competitive prices. I am very thankful for all of these reasons.  I am, however, disappointed by your firearms policy and how it is promoted.  I have found it fails to meet the legal requirements in at least two states and targets the wrong people.

I am a customer that lives in South Carolina and works in North Carolina.  I am fortunate enough to pass one Bi-Lo location in NC on my way to and from work and have another near enough my home for holiday and weekend visits.  I frequently visit both locations.  I am also an Open Carry advocate, firearms instructor, and US Air Force veteran.  When in NC, I make it a habit to Open Carry my firearm to normalize the action of people exercising their Second Amendment right.  On the afternoon of March 19, these two habits clashed.

I went shopping with my wife at store #530 at 12810 S Tryon Road Charlotte, NC, a store I had openly carried at several times before without incident.  However, per my normal practice when entering a private business while armed, I looked for the standard signs forbidding open or concealed carry, most traditionally the silhouette of a handgun in black with a red circle slash “No” sign, similar to the “No Smoking” sign.  Seeing no sign or large text, we entered the store.  Near the completion of our excursion, we were visited by a female store manager informing us that I needed to leave the store as weapons were forbidden.  She was very polite and understanding.  I apologized and explained that I had not seen any sign saying it was forbidden; when informed there was a sign, I left my wife in the store with our cart.

After returning to my wife’s car to unload, disassemble, and lock up most of my pistol (I keep part of it on me in case the vehicle is broken into so criminals will not have a working, loaded gun),  I returned to the store and my waiting wife. On my way in, I tried to find the sign saying firearms/guns/pistols/open-carry/weapons were forbidden; I finally found it in small text at the bottom of the store hours sign, just after “Shirt and Shoes Required.” Now disarmed, we paid and left.

Being concerned that other people may also miss that sign, I decided to contact you and request a change in policy or signage.  Obviously, as a Second Amendment practitioner, Concealed Carry advocate, and Open Carry activist, I would prefer you change your policy instead of asking law-abiding citizens to disarm themselves, knowing that violent criminals, by definition, do not respect the law or store policy.  Barring a change in policy, I request a change in signage to present a clear message, perhaps the slashed circle with a message that guns and their owners are not welcome at your store.  Improved signage would not only help prevent confusion, but would bring you in compliance with state law.

Each state defines proper signage for forbidding Concealed or Open Carry differently; unfortunately, Bi-Lo signage does not change across state lines.  As per NC § 14‑415.11, any establishment forbidding concealed or open carry must inform the public by posting “a conspicuous notice or statement” with that message, or it lacks legal standing. The attached images, taken Thursday March 23, 2012, show that although posted, the signage is not “conspicuous”.  While forbidding Open Carry, South Carolina’s law makes clear its signage requirements.  According to South Carolina Code of Law, Section 23-31-235, the sign must meet the following requirements:

  1. Notwithstanding any other provision of this article, any requirement of or allowance for the posting of signs prohibiting the carrying of a concealable weapon upon any premises shall only be satisfied by a sign expressing the prohibition in both written language interdict and universal sign language.
  2. All signs must be posted at each entrance into a building where a concealable weapon permit holder is prohibited from carrying a concealable weapon and must be: www.handgunlaw.us 4
    1. clearly visible from outside the building;
    2. eight inches wide by twelve inches tall in size;
    3. contain the words “NO CONCEALABLE WEAPONS ALLOWED” in black one-inch tall uppercase type at the bottom of the sign and centered between the lateral edges of the sign;
    4. contain a black silhouette of a handgun inside a circle seven inches in diameter with a diagonal line that runs from the lower left to the upper right at a forty-five degree angle from the horizontal;
    5. a diameter of a circle; and
    6. placed not less than forty inches and not more than sixty inches from the bottom of the building’s entrance door.

As you can see in the attached pictures, taken at store #718, located at 158 Highway 274 in Lake Wylie, SC, which uses the same signage at NC locations, Bi-Lo’s signs fail to meet the clearly defined South Carolina requirements.

As previously stated, your staff and the manager on duty were very polite when informing me of the store’s policy, even expressing that more people should carry more places, more often, and that the policy was only being enforced due to complaints of the discomfort of another customer.  This is not a complaint against your staff; instead, I am voicing concern regarding your policy and signage.  I encourage whoever reads this to consider being more welcoming of peaceable, armed customers or, at the very least, provide obvious signs letting them know to take their arms and money elsewhere. This would avoid confusion that could be embarrassing, at best, as happened to me or tragic, at worst, like the shooting of West Point graduate and Army veteran, Erik Scott, outside of a Las Vegas Costco.

Thank you for your time,

Mr. Xaq Fixx

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If you are unable to open the attachments, here are direct links to the images:

http://www.xaqfixx.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/BiLoSign004Small-768×1024.jpg

http://www.xaqfixx.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/BiLoSign-001small-1024×768.jpg

http://www.xaqfixx.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/BiLoSign-002-Small-1024×768.jpg

 

To my normal readers: I know this has nothing to do with beer or homebrewing, but it is a matter of the law and liberty, also, this is the only place I blog regularly.

 Update #1: March 30, 2012 – 8:30PM EST No Response from Bi-Lo yet. Local print and broadcast media, along with several of the top firearms and gun rights blogs, have been contacted.

 

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